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Hi, I found a sticker with this flag, someone now what is?

Hi, I found a sticker with this flag, someone now what is?

cake-pie

[Berber flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_flag)


smile_itali

Thank you


bagpipesfart

If you want to learn more about the Berber aka Amazigh people here’s two short YouTube documentaries about them: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMv9Gyc08P8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LeArDH86dRU


AetherUtopia

Also: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a39oM3MJleY


Baneofbanes

Actually a really good flag.


HIS-BUFF

Berber


Argo303

Amazigh is better (because “Berber” evolved from “barbarian”)


HIS-BUFF

TIL


Corleone_Michael

Did Amazigh evolve from "amazing"? ^^/s


PherJVv

Basically, amazing ≈ noble "According to the historian Abraham Isaac Laredo,[38] the name Amazigh could be derived from the name of the ancestor Mezeg, which is the translation of the biblical ancestor Dedan, son of Sheba in the Targum. According to the Berber author Leo Africanus, Amazigh meant 'free man'; some argued that there is no root of M-Z-Ɣ meaning 'free' in the modern Berber languages. However, mmuzeɣ ('to be noble', 'generous') exists among the Imazighen of Central Morocco and tmuzeɣ ('to free oneself', 'revolt') exists among the Kabyles of Ouadhia.[39] This dispute, however, is based on a lack of understanding of the Berber language, as Am- is a prefix meaning 'a man', 'one who is [...]'. Therefore, the root required to verify this endonym would be (a)zigh ('free'), which, however, is also missing from Tamazight's lexicon but may be related to the well-attested aze ('strong'), Tizzit ('bravery'), or jeghegh ('to be brave', 'to be courageous').[40][original research?] Further, Amazigh also has a cognate in the Tuareg word Amajegh, meaning 'noble'.[41][42] This term is common in Morocco, especially among Central Atlas,[definition needed] Riffian, and Shilah[definition needed] speakers in 1980;[43] but elsewhere within the Berber homeland a local, more particular term, such as Kabyle or Chaoui, is more often, such as in Libya.[44] Amazigh probably had its ancient parallel to the Roman and Greek names for Berbers such as Mazices.[45] According to Ibn Khaldun, the name Mazîgh is derived from one of the early ancestors of the Berbers.[46]"


angwilwileth

Huh so the Fremen from Dune literally had their name based on these guys.


dubovinius

Quite possibly, although basically every other term that they use comes transparently from Arabic


Hzil

Though [one of their chants](https://books.google.com/books?id=S5njq1FhUUgC&pg=PA392&dq=%22ima+trava+okolo%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY3sGBhM3yAhUnFFkFHT9DAQIQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=%22ima%20trava%20okolo%22&f=false) is, for some reason, just outright Serbo-Croatian


buya492

This is why I always advocate for conlangs in books. You can get the aesthetic and coding you’re going for without having the cultural baggage or weird stuff like this edit: I never read dune, I’m just assuming the author just inserted random language that English speakers probably don’t know. That’s what I mean by weird


Svantebog

No, I believe it roughly translates to “Freeborn” in the Amazigh languages


Tamtumtam

"who are they?" "barbarians!" or non-romans, said the romans being raided by non-romans


JT_Boiiis

We could make a religion out of this.


methanol007

Wouldn’t this be misleading indicating tamazaight are the only group of people who would fall under the category of berber? Also i can’t imagine that people who use this word actively think of barbarians i think of it as any other exonym.


PurpleSkua

Tamazight is the language (or more accurately, several languages) rather than the people. The word "Amazigh" doesn't refer to a specific group either, it's a broad category for all of the groups like Kabyles, Tuareg, Irifiyen and so on


methanol007

The question is rather do these people call themselves amazigh and if not does it even make sense to swap one exonyme for the other? I only know this from gypsy perspective I know a Manush who told me that he dislikes being called Roma/Sinti and prefers Zigeuner(gypsy) because even though they dont call themselves like that he prefers to have a name that is right in its meaning of the language rather than being lumped together to a subgroup they don’t even belong to. Depending on the gypsy group they take a lot of pride in their name and its one thing to have a different name in an other language but something very different to lumped into the other subgroup in your language.


PurpleSkua

As I understand it, Amazigh is thought to be an endonym but has unclear origins. I'm not in any way connected to any of the relevant people though, so don't take my word as gospel. In the absence of an authoritative answer, though, the one the has a derivation within the peoples' languages and a less negative meaning seems like the more respectful choice


Turnaq

I’m Amazigh and everyone that I know that is Amazigh calls themselves Amazigh. I currently live in Belgium so when I have to explain my roots to someone that isn’t Amazigh I describe myself as a Berber from Morocco (because they won’t know what Amazigh means).


RagingRope

When are we renaming Slavs because Slav has the same origin as Slave, or the other way around, renaming the word for German in Slavic languages (Nemets) because it originates from "the mutes"


jfbnrf86

Doesn’t the word Slav in Russian for example mean glory ?


PloyTheEpic

Slava=glory in a lot of slavic languages Sloveni/slavoni=slavs in a lot of slavic languages


Enokun

You should change the word for 'slave' then, because that's the derivative here, not the other way around.


Bonjourap

Yup, slave comes from Slav, not the other way around.


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Dagger_Moth

They do not.


liamcoded

It doesn't have the same origin. He doesn't know what he is talking about.


MonsterRider80

It kinda does tho. Not the Slavic word for Slav, which linguists postulate originally meant “word” (slovo) or “glory, fame” (slava). In the Middle Ages, unfortunately many Slavic people ended up in slavery, and the English word slave ultimately comes from Slav.


jfbnrf86

No , it came from the Latin root slavum or sclavum , in French it’s esclave in Italian schiavo


MonsterRider80

And… where do you think the Latin term came from? Originally, Latin for slave was SERVVS. That word (sclavus) was borrowed from Byzantine Greek σκλάβος. The Byzantines were the ones fighting slavs most often in the early Middle Ages, and would take them as slaves. They rendered the word into σκλάβος, the Western Europeans latinized it into SCLAVVS, and then into all the daughter languages from there.


jfbnrf86

No it’s Medieval Latin


MonsterRider80

Medieval Latin is Latin last I checked. Please finish readin my comment, you probably didn’t see the bit I added like 5 seconds after you made the comment.


_PUTN_

Berber comes from the Ancient-Greek word βάρβαρος, which was used to describe all tribes that did not speak Greek. This wasn't a slur or anything to be considered offensive.


levbialik

It was sort of offensive though, since it comes from a root that means literally to babble or gabble, and the Greeks considered anyone but themselves as inferior.


seftor_cb69

The greeks even considered other greeks Barbars too, for example Epirus and Thebes


JACC_Opi

Compare that to the root most Slavic languages use for their toponym for Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Germany#Names_from_Nemets Anyways, I don't think Berber is bad, but I'm not going to use it around them either.


levbialik

Yeah Germans are men of few words.


[deleted]

The Greeks were pretty dope for their time


EnlightWolif

I þought Amazigh had a t at ðe beginning


Menolo_Homobovanez

Other way


hommez-s_alt

Berber flag, my herritage


Bonjourap

Same brother :)


RT-Garbage

I immediately recognized it as Berber/Amazigh, unfortunately others already beat me to the punch… Likely it signifies the person is of Amazigh descent, I would actually be surprised to see it in the wild outside Maghreb (I live in the US). It’s a cool flag though, for a people that deserves more attention.


YannAlmostright

You see it often in France


RT-Garbage

Didn’t know that! Doesn’t surprise me though, there must be a lot of North African immigrants there


AlZaghawi

IIRC the largest ethnic minority in France is the Kabyle community. Zinedine Zidane is Kabyle, for example EDIT: Kabyle = a Berber group mostly in Algeria


ShahranHussain

A facebook friend of mine is Kabyle, but his entire community had to move to France for supporting the colonial regime during the civil wars


macb92

For anyone interested in Amazigh culture, I recommend checking out some of their music. [Tinariwen](https://youtu.be/vACZA9dGvV4), [Mdou Moctar](https://youtu.be/GZvPoE0EH1o) and [Bombino](https://youtu.be/piGjNTNBKRI), to name a few!


karimr

Wish I could upvote this comment more. There's some really amazighn (sorry I couldn't stop myself) contemporary music from these peoples out there, especially for the harsh conditions that many of them live in. One can only imagine how many talented artists might never have been discovered in those deserts for lack of exposure or resources to showcase their talent. From what I've read the main guy behind Mdou Moctar was having his music passed around on cellphones throughout the Sahara before a music producer from New York happened to get a hold of one and helped him make his music available to a wider audience.


SheikhYusufBiden

Berber/Amazigh


l_am_meepmoop

Berber


Ludjon_303

Berber


Holly_Michaels

Berber


stoker15524

Berber


kidneymachine

I don't know but it looks amazigh


ThePickleFarm

Berber baby


area51cannonfooder

Berber


Lorelai144

amazigh


Xeanathan

Berber/Amazigh


Lotus532

Flag of the Berber (Amazigh) people of North Africa.


Beetector

Berber people if North Africa


The3DAnimator

To add to what others have pointed out (the factual information that it’s the Amazigh flag), this flag and symbolism has been more and more openly displayed lately. From my understanding, there has been some arrests of prominent political dissidents in Kabylia (Amazighs in Algeria) by the Algerian government, and as a result Kabyls have been more actively displaying that they’re a separate identity. Some seem to want more autonomy, others outright independance. There were big demonstrations in France about this. It’s weird that it never seems to make mainstream news though.


ShahranHussain

​ |Amazigh||| |:-|:-|:-| |Berberrrr|||


monumentofflavor

Sideways Pisces ♓️


wolves-22

[Flag of the Berbers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_flag), an Ethnic group who live in North Africa.


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flute37

Berber


OhSoYouWannaPlayHuh

Berbers


MoLikesReddit

Berber or amazigh


32gman

Berber?


Cowguypig

Fremen


arctofire17

Berbers


pencil8562

berber flag


acowboywithinternet

Flag of the Amazigh/berbers, who live in North Africa


SrpskaCast

Flag of the Berber people


EnlightWolif

Kabylia I þink. In Algeria


Donduk_II

Amazigh people flag


RoutineDiscussion193

Flag of the Amazigh People.


iziyan

Berber/Amaziekh flag


booza145

Berber


doylew01

The flag of the Berbers (North African ethnic group)


Dschuncks

!wave


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Dog_Backup

Berber flag


Ghosttalker96

That sign is also available in Unicode (U+2D65).


josephdp08

The berber/tuareg flag.


Educational_Ask_5377

Amazigh


TriplSyx

The flag of the Amazigh. People here keep using the term berber but actual Amazigh see the word "berber" as a slur.


Scarab02

Azawad? I may be wrong


smile_itali

It's also a group of berber, so it's ok (I think)


No_Slime1

Solved


HKGMINECRAFT

MTR lol


smile_itali

¿


Henrywongtsh

[The symbol in the middle is also the logo of the metro system of Hong Kong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HK_MTR_logo.svg)


smile_itali

Oh, thanks


amiserabledegenerate

amazigh flag, the people indigenous to the maghreb region of north africa


smile_itali

After one month I get it