Hi, I found a sticker with this flag, someone now what is?
By - smile_itali
If you want to learn more about the Berber aka Amazigh people here’s two short YouTube documentaries about them:
Actually a really good flag.
Amazigh is better (because “Berber” evolved from “barbarian”)
Did Amazigh evolve from "amazing"? ^^/s
Basically, amazing ≈ noble
"According to the historian Abraham Isaac Laredo, the name Amazigh could be derived from the name of the ancestor Mezeg, which is the translation of the biblical ancestor Dedan, son of Sheba in the Targum. According to the Berber author Leo Africanus, Amazigh meant 'free man'; some argued that there is no root of M-Z-Ɣ meaning 'free' in the modern Berber languages. However, mmuzeɣ ('to be noble', 'generous') exists among the Imazighen of Central Morocco and tmuzeɣ ('to free oneself', 'revolt') exists among the Kabyles of Ouadhia. This dispute, however, is based on a lack of understanding of the Berber language, as Am- is a prefix meaning 'a man', 'one who is [...]'. Therefore, the root required to verify this endonym would be (a)zigh ('free'), which, however, is also missing from Tamazight's lexicon but may be related to the well-attested aze ('strong'), Tizzit ('bravery'), or jeghegh ('to be brave', 'to be courageous').[original research?]
Further, Amazigh also has a cognate in the Tuareg word Amajegh, meaning 'noble'. This term is common in Morocco, especially among Central Atlas,[definition needed] Riffian, and Shilah[definition needed] speakers in 1980; but elsewhere within the Berber homeland a local, more particular term, such as Kabyle or Chaoui, is more often, such as in Libya. Amazigh probably had its ancient parallel to the Roman and Greek names for Berbers such as Mazices. According to Ibn Khaldun, the name Mazîgh is derived from one of the early ancestors of the Berbers."
Huh so the Fremen from Dune literally had their name based on these guys.
Quite possibly, although basically every other term that they use comes transparently from Arabic
Though [one of their chants](https://books.google.com/books?id=S5njq1FhUUgC&pg=PA392&dq=%22ima+trava+okolo%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY3sGBhM3yAhUnFFkFHT9DAQIQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=%22ima%20trava%20okolo%22&f=false) is, for some reason, just outright Serbo-Croatian
This is why I always advocate for conlangs in books. You can get the aesthetic and coding you’re going for without having the cultural baggage or weird stuff like this
edit: I never read dune, I’m just assuming the author just inserted random language that English speakers probably don’t know. That’s what I mean by weird
No, I believe it roughly translates to “Freeborn” in the Amazigh languages
"who are they?"
"barbarians!" or non-romans, said the romans being raided by non-romans
We could make a religion out of this.
Wouldn’t this be misleading indicating tamazaight are the only group of people who would fall under the category of berber? Also i can’t imagine that people who use this word actively think of barbarians i think of it as any other exonym.
Tamazight is the language (or more accurately, several languages) rather than the people. The word "Amazigh" doesn't refer to a specific group either, it's a broad category for all of the groups like Kabyles, Tuareg, Irifiyen and so on
The question is rather do these people call themselves amazigh and if not does it even make sense to swap one exonyme for the other? I only know this from gypsy perspective I know a Manush who told me that he dislikes being called Roma/Sinti and prefers Zigeuner(gypsy) because even though they dont call themselves like that he prefers to have a name that is right in its meaning of the language rather than being lumped together to a subgroup they don’t even belong to. Depending on the gypsy group they take a lot of pride in their name and its one thing to have a different name in an other language but something very different to lumped into the other subgroup in your language.
As I understand it, Amazigh is thought to be an endonym but has unclear origins. I'm not in any way connected to any of the relevant people though, so don't take my word as gospel. In the absence of an authoritative answer, though, the one the has a derivation within the peoples' languages and a less negative meaning seems like the more respectful choice
I’m Amazigh and everyone that I know that is Amazigh calls themselves Amazigh.
I currently live in Belgium so when I have to explain my roots to someone that isn’t Amazigh I describe myself as a Berber from Morocco (because they won’t know what Amazigh means).
When are we renaming Slavs because Slav has the same origin as Slave, or the other way around, renaming the word for German in Slavic languages (Nemets) because it originates from "the mutes"
Doesn’t the word Slav in Russian for example mean glory ?
Slava=glory in a lot of slavic languages
Sloveni/slavoni=slavs in a lot of slavic languages
You should change the word for 'slave' then, because that's the derivative here, not the other way around.
Yup, slave comes from Slav, not the other way around.
They do not.
It doesn't have the same origin. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
It kinda does tho. Not the Slavic word for Slav, which linguists postulate originally meant “word” (slovo) or “glory, fame” (slava). In the Middle Ages, unfortunately many Slavic people ended up in slavery, and the English word slave ultimately comes from Slav.
No , it came from the Latin root slavum or sclavum , in French it’s esclave in Italian schiavo
And… where do you think the Latin term came from?
Originally, Latin for slave was SERVVS. That word (sclavus) was borrowed from Byzantine Greek σκλάβος. The Byzantines were the ones fighting slavs most often in the early Middle Ages, and would take them as slaves. They rendered the word into σκλάβος, the Western Europeans latinized it into SCLAVVS, and then into all the daughter languages from there.
No it’s Medieval Latin
Medieval Latin is Latin last I checked. Please finish readin my comment, you probably didn’t see the bit I added like 5 seconds after you made the comment.
Berber comes from the Ancient-Greek word βάρβαρος, which was used to describe all tribes that did not speak Greek. This wasn't a slur or anything to be considered offensive.
It was sort of offensive though, since it comes from a root that means literally to babble or gabble, and the Greeks considered anyone but themselves as inferior.
The greeks even considered other greeks Barbars too, for example Epirus and Thebes
Compare that to the root most Slavic languages use for their toponym for Germany.
Anyways, I don't think Berber is bad, but I'm not going to use it around them either.
Yeah Germans are men of few words.
The Greeks were pretty dope for their time
I þought Amazigh had a t at ðe beginning
Berber flag, my herritage
Same brother :)
I immediately recognized it as Berber/Amazigh, unfortunately others already beat me to the punch…
Likely it signifies the person is of Amazigh descent, I would actually be surprised to see it in the wild outside Maghreb (I live in the US). It’s a cool flag though, for a people that deserves more attention.
You see it often in France
Didn’t know that! Doesn’t surprise me though, there must be a lot of North African immigrants there
IIRC the largest ethnic minority in France is the Kabyle community. Zinedine Zidane is Kabyle, for example
EDIT: Kabyle = a Berber group mostly in Algeria
A facebook friend of mine is Kabyle, but his entire community had to move to France for supporting the colonial regime during the civil wars
For anyone interested in Amazigh culture, I recommend checking out some of their music. [Tinariwen](https://youtu.be/vACZA9dGvV4), [Mdou Moctar](https://youtu.be/GZvPoE0EH1o) and [Bombino](https://youtu.be/piGjNTNBKRI), to name a few!
Wish I could upvote this comment more. There's some really amazighn (sorry I couldn't stop myself) contemporary music from these peoples out there, especially for the harsh conditions that many of them live in.
One can only imagine how many talented artists might never have been discovered in those deserts for lack of exposure or resources to showcase their talent. From what I've read the main guy behind Mdou Moctar was having his music passed around on cellphones throughout the Sahara before a music producer from New York happened to get a hold of one and helped him make his music available to a wider audience.
I don't know but it looks amazigh
Flag of the Berber (Amazigh) people of North Africa.
Berber people if North Africa
To add to what others have pointed out (the factual information that it’s the Amazigh flag), this flag and symbolism has been more and more openly displayed lately.
From my understanding, there has been some arrests of prominent political dissidents in Kabylia (Amazighs in Algeria) by the Algerian government, and as a result Kabyls have been more actively displaying that they’re a separate identity. Some seem to want more autonomy, others outright independance.
There were big demonstrations in France about this.
It’s weird that it never seems to make mainstream news though.
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Berber or amazigh
Flag of the Amazigh/berbers, who live in North Africa
Flag of the Berber people
Kabylia I þink. In Algeria
Amazigh people flag
Flag of the Amazigh People.
The flag of the Berbers (North African ethnic group)
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That sign is also available in Unicode (U+2D65).
The berber/tuareg flag.
The flag of the Amazigh. People here keep using the term berber but actual Amazigh see the word "berber" as a slur.
Azawad? I may be wrong
It's also a group of berber, so it's ok (I think)
[The symbol in the middle is also the logo of the metro system of Hong Kong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HK_MTR_logo.svg)
amazigh flag, the people indigenous to the maghreb region of north africa
After one month I get it