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Damn Planters are so expensive

Damn Planters are so expensive

MennoniteDan

Without knowing what you're looking for at all: Deere 7200s are crazy affordable... Hell, you can find 1770NT planters for not much at all either. Buy used, and rebuild whatever is necessary/you can afford. I run a 1790CCS for my beans (20000 acres under it), going to rebuild all the openers and fert system in a couple week as well as replace bushings in the parallel arms. Total cost is quoted at 15000CAD. Cheap planters can be found easily.


magnusvegeta

So I’m a PhD student in agriculture robotics one of my projects use these case planter which is like 250k


204farmer

Something like that a BTO is going to buy, and it loses a huge chunk of value as soon as he takes the paint off the disks. Then someone else buys it used, then a couple years later someone else buys it, then someone else buys it, then when the thing is 20-30 years old I can afford it


magnusvegeta

Haha, these things are really expensive


MennoniteDan

Right, so you're using a modern large planter; most likely with electric drives, some sort of pneumatic or hydraulic downforce system, 40 feet wide and a premium brand to boot. Can find cheaper versions on the used market, or go smaller working width (since you're concerned about small farmers), or use a different brand with lower price point (Great Plains, for example).


magnusvegeta

So what are other down force mechanisms? This one uses hydraulics


oliver-77

There are pneumatic down force systems that use air pressure to provide down force and there are mechanical systems that typically use springs and the weight of the row unit.


magnusvegeta

Weight of the row unit ? I don’t think these are that effective


oliver-77

I'm sorry I didn't say that very clear, the spring force plus the weight of the row unit are the down pressure that is applied


magnusvegeta

Oh I see, how do these things clear the debris then ?


MennoniteDan

Row cleaners are something separate... If those are on the planter that you're working on *and* they have hydraulic down/lift on them as well: of course the planter will be $$$. I installed 24 Dawn GFX Hydraulic row cleaners on a planter five or six years ago and it ran 54000CAD, can only imagine they're more now.


magnusvegeta

Yes they are. What happens if you run it without those ?


packplantpath

Go old school. Spring tension with 4 detents for different down force.


A_Cat_Named_Frank

And if they're using a machine like that they have the work to justify the purchase. Also, the tractor to pull that sort of gear is well over half a million dollars.


magnusvegeta

Tractors are a different beast all together


GerryBlaster

There are planter that cost a lot less then 250k


magnusvegeta

Like which one ?


sharpshooter999

Bought a used 2014 1255 24 row with 12 acres on it this spring for $75,000. Electric row shut offs and factory fertilizer, no row markers. All the area dealers were asking $80,000+ for worn out 1255 16 row planters with more acres on them. Score one for Big Iron


magnusvegeta

So how long does that take to plant for 12 acres ?


sharpshooter999

I average around 40 acres an hour soooo not long


oliver-77

The used market is strong but a lot of planters can be had for less than 250k. There are a lot of variations in the new market that don't bring that much either. What planter are you looking at (by that I mean brand, number of rows, layout) just out of curiosity. We plant with a John Deere 7200 conservation planter. It is small by today's standards but it still does us well


magnusvegeta

I have hearing Deere a lot


baconjeepthing

Im happy with my 1999 5300 soyabean spécial case box drill, $23000 brand new with markers, its 24 rows on 6" centres. Ive had to beef the front up because it holds more weight then it was designed to handle. Ive done corn with it (small rounds)... Mind you we live on a 100 acre farm. So most Ive planted is 45 acres, but 1 year planted 100 acres of hay for my cousin


magnusvegeta

How long does it take to plant it ?


baconjeepthing

I did about 4 acres an hour this year for the beans i put in


juliank47

Tell me about it, just got quoted a Horsch 🙃


LFKime

Look at [Fastline.com](https://Fastline.com) for used planters.